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How do I handle this one, folks???

7 messages in this thread | Started on 2007-01-28

How do I handle this one, folks???

From: Lisa Lazar (lazar.bauer@earthlink.net) | Date: 2007-01-28 17:26:41 UTC
Hey folks -- I'm wondering how you would reply to the following letter.

I've already written to this person to give them a few hints....so I
feel like I've done my part.

However, I'm horrified and appalled that they got the staff involved
in this hunt. My clues says:


"You're going to Scharffen Berger.

Outside.

Magnetic.

For the love of God, please use stealth! "


I've added this note to the end of my (formerly) short and elegant clues.:

"Letterboxing is a secretive past time. Please, please, please, please
do NOT ask passers-by to help you find this letterbox. Don't ask the
staff to help you look... If everyone knows that the letterbox is
there, it ruins the secret for everyone."

Am I being overly sensitive, or am I within my rights to be a bit
annoyed with this seeker?

I've got to write them back, but I need to simmer down a bit. I
suspect I'll write something about how in letterboxing -- as in life
-- you don't always find what you're seeking, but that the journey is
often more important than the destination.

*************************************************************


Hi Lisascenic,
I'm brand new to Letterboxing... today was the first day I tried it.

It's a bit of a long story (I hope you read it all!) but... my Mom
does it with my nieces and nephew on the East Coast and loves it. She
was trying to enter a "found" one online and had trouble so she went
surfing for the ones on the West Coast and found the one at
Scharrfenberger - where I've taken her & my Dad when they came to
visit us.

My father-in-law had a stroke in December and my husband and
mother-in-law have been in a serious funk since then (and spending
most free time at the nursing home). My mother encouraged us to go to
Scharffen Berger to do something fun, take the tour, have lunch - and
find the letterbox stamp to send to my nephew next month for his birthday.

The bottom line to this whole story is that we couldn't find it
anywhere. Not having done this before I don't know how hard it
normally is, but we searched for quite a while (and got some staff &
other visitors to Scharffen Berger involved too!) and had no luck. The
staff at SB have told us that other people have asked them for help
(the most recent last week), but no one has come back to tell them
where it is.

So, I guess I'm writing for more help... can you either give me more
clues so I can go back soon to see if it's still there or even tell me
where it is (I don't know if that's "cheating" or defeats the point of
letterboxing).

I do live near Ardenwood Farm, so one day soon I'll head out there
too, to see if the one you placed there is easier to find or not.

Sorry for this long message. As an aside, my husband, mother-in-law
and I had a wonderful day at Scharffen Berger, so even if we never end
up finding the stamp, while my nephew will be bummed, we appreciate
your work! Thanks!

Sincerely,
Loretta


Re: [LbNCA] How do I handle this one, folks???

From: Kathy N. (kathy.norris@gmail.com) | Date: 2007-01-28 10:35:39 UTC-08:00
She sounds like a really sweet person whose enthusiasm might jeopardize your
box - I can totally understand you being miffed. It also sounds like she's
not the only one to have asked for help! I suggest you write a raging email
to let her have it!... then delete it and send one of your well written,
kind, and informative notes that will help her better understand this sport!

Thanks for letting everyone know about this - I think we make assumptions
that the person reading our clues will have some experience and with
understand what "stealth" means. In the clue for my Junkyard Dog box I
mentioned that the box was planted without permission and to be stealthy,
but I think I'll ammend the clue to specify that no one should ask the staff
for help!

I still haven't found the Scharffenberger box and I hope it's still there
when I get back over there to take a look.

Kathy

PS - knitting and beer!

On 1/28/07, Lisa Lazar wrote:
>
> Hey folks -- I'm wondering how you would reply to the following letter.
>
> I've already written to this person to give them a few hints....so I
> feel like I've done my part.
>
> However, I'm horrified and appalled that they got the staff involved
> in this hunt. My clues says:
>
> "You're going to Scharffen Berger.
>
> Outside.
>
> Magnetic.
>
> For the love of God, please use stealth! "
>
> I've added this note to the end of my (formerly) short and elegant clues.:
>
> "Letterboxing is a secretive past time. Please, please, please, please
> do NOT ask passers-by to help you find this letterbox. Don't ask the
> staff to help you look... If everyone knows that the letterbox is
> there, it ruins the secret for everyone."
>
> Am I being overly sensitive, or am I within my rights to be a bit
> annoyed with this seeker?
>
> I've got to write them back, but I need to simmer down a bit. I
> suspect I'll write something about how in letterboxing -- as in life
> -- you don't always find what you're seeking, but that the journey is
> often more important than the destination.
>
> *************************************************************
>
> Hi Lisascenic,
> I'm brand new to Letterboxing... today was the first day I tried it.
>
> It's a bit of a long story (I hope you read it all!) but... my Mom
> does it with my nieces and nephew on the East Coast and loves it. She
> was trying to enter a "found" one online and had trouble so she went
> surfing for the ones on the West Coast and found the one at
> Scharrfenberger - where I've taken her & my Dad when they came to
> visit us.
>
> My father-in-law had a stroke in December and my husband and
> mother-in-law have been in a serious funk since then (and spending
> most free time at the nursing home). My mother encouraged us to go to
> Scharffen Berger to do something fun, take the tour, have lunch - and
> find the letterbox stamp to send to my nephew next month for his birthday.
>
> The bottom line to this whole story is that we couldn't find it
> anywhere. Not having done this before I don't know how hard it
> normally is, but we searched for quite a while (and got some staff &
> other visitors to Scharffen Berger involved too!) and had no luck. The
> staff at SB have told us that other people have asked them for help
> (the most recent last week), but no one has come back to tell them
> where it is.
>
> So, I guess I'm writing for more help... can you either give me more
> clues so I can go back soon to see if it's still there or even tell me
> where it is (I don't know if that's "cheating" or defeats the point of
> letterboxing).
>
> I do live near Ardenwood Farm, so one day soon I'll head out there
> too, to see if the one you placed there is easier to find or not.
>
> Sorry for this long message. As an aside, my husband, mother-in-law
> and I had a wonderful day at Scharffen Berger, so even if we never end
> up finding the stamp, while my nephew will be bummed, we appreciate
> your work! Thanks!
>
> Sincerely,
> Loretta
>
>
>


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Re: How do I handle this one, folks???

From: indigoanigirl (cb.else@gmail.com) | Date: 2007-01-28 19:31:25 UTC
--- In LbNCA@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lazar" wrote:
>
> Hey folks -- I'm wondering how you would reply to the following
letter.
>
> I've already written to this person to give them a few hints....so I
> feel like I've done my part.
>
> However, I'm horrified and appalled that they got the staff involved
> in this hunt.


I would probably want to pull the box for a while "for
maintenance"
and then send her a note.

Hi Loretta,

It's always great to hear letterboxing stories.
The Scharffen Berger box has been pulled for the time being. Thanks for
letting me know that the staff were aware of the box! That could really
have compromised it's safety. I'm glad I got to it before it
"disappeared". Whew!
Before you go out to find other stamp impressions for your nephew's
birthday, you may want to learn some more about it. Check out
http://www.letterboxing.org/GettingStarted/
I know there's a lot of information there so I've included some of it
here:

* The most important things to remember when letterboxing are respect
and safety. Respect for the environment and for the letterbox that
someone has created and your personal safety.
* Letterboxes should always be hidden in publicly-accessible areas,
yet out of sight of casual visitors.
* Leave the location better than you find it; you are encouraged
toremove any litter left behind by people who care less for the land
thanyou.
* When you arrive at the location of the letterbox by following the
clues, make sure that there aren't others around when you go to
retrieve it to prevent it's location from being discovered by others
who might not respect the letterbox.
* There are hazards of letterboxing, such as poison ivy and
creatureslike snakes or spiders who tend to like the same crevices and
cavities where letterboxes are often hidden.
* Letterbox with a partner or let others know where you are going.
Use common sense to letterbox safely.
Welcome to letterboxing! It's a really great hobby & creative outlet.
I'm glad you had a lovely day out, even without finding the letterbox.

Happy Trails

And then I turn the whole thing over to Dorks Anonymous to
"nice" it up. He's a natural copy-editor and I just
cannot tell whether I'm funny or mean in print.

Crow Girl



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Re: How do I handle this one, folks???

From: grumpygrinchy (ggboxer@comcast.net) | Date: 2007-01-29 00:48:41 UTC
--- In LbNCA@yahoogroups.com, "indigoanigirl" wrote:
>>
> I would probably want to pull the box for a while "for
> maintenance"
> and then send her a note.
>
I agree that it is probably a good time to "find" your own box and
take it home for a short while - just long enough for the employees to
search and lose their curiosity.

You certainly should remind the newcomer of the need for discretion
and point her to the newcomers FAQ! Then vent if you will - or
compliment her enthusiasm and offer to teach her to knit instead of
letterboxing!

The Grinch half of Grumpy Grinch


Re: How do I handle this one, folks???

From: arttrekker2go (arttrekker@tech21.com) | Date: 2007-01-29 05:16:59 UTC
Cara, you are too cool. That is a beautiful way of handling
such a note. I don't even think it needed "nicing up", but
DA does have a nice touch. Lisa, you could tell her you've
pulled the box (even post it that way) until you get a chance
to actually do so. Doublesaj used the words "don't ask, don't tell"
for a box she had clandestinely planted in a bookstore.

My letterboxing age is only two and a half, so my experience is
limited, but it does seem that there has been a surge of new boxers
and even new boxes of late. We really need to do all we can (nicely!)
to encourage all to participate consciously. Personally, I don't
want *everyone* to know what this is, but I don't want to have an
"I've got mine now you go away" attitude, either. It does make a
case for listing boxes as for premium members only, though, or some
other way that takes as much work to get ahold of the clues as it
does to figure them out.

Tomorrow I hit the road, so I may be out of touch for a bit.

aT, hoping you are all staying warm and healthy

--- In LbNCA@yahoogroups.com, "indigoanigirl" wrote:
>I would probably want to pull the box for a while "for
>maintenance" and then send her a note.
>
>Hi Loretta,
>
>It's always great to hear letterboxing stories.
>The Scharffen Berger box has been pulled for the time being. Thanks for
>letting me know that the staff were aware of the box! That could really
>have compromised it's safety. I'm glad I got to it before it
>"disappeared". Whew!
>Before you go out to find other stamp impressions for your nephew's
>birthday, you may want to learn some more about it. Check out
>http://www.letterboxing.org/GettingStarted/
>I know there's a lot of information there so I've included some of it
>here:
(etc.)


Re: How do I handle this one, folks???

From: Lea Shangraw Fox (princesslea@alamedanet.net) | Date: 2007-01-29 16:49:46 UTC
This sounds like the recurring nightmare I have about my boxes - that some guileless
person out there will inadvertantly contribute to their demise. I like the addendum about
the secrecy of letterboxing - it may or may not help. Luckily the Scharffenberger box is so
well hidden that even veterans (ahem, like myself) have difficulty finding it, so I think it is
unlikely that the staff will stumble upon it. I am a little horrified that she is not the first
person to ask the staff! Wonder how many people out there have asked rangers for
assistance....

I've always wondered if some kind of rating system to indicate that a box is a good one for
"beginners" would be helpful. Certain boxes of mine are quite straightforward and are
perfect for first time finders. I like having them around so that some of my more difficult
boxes are protected from enthusiastic but "unseasoned" boxers who just need a little time
to see how to play this game.

On a totally different note, I am hoping that our artists in residence, Lisa and Kel (aT) are
thinking about designs for the patch - I'd really like to see what you ladies come up with!
We had previously discussed a Northern California logo (redwoods? gold? grizzlies?), and
the new proposal on the table is a patch for all of California - do we have a preference?

-- Princess Lea

--- In LbNCA@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lazar" wrote:
>
> Hey folks -- I'm wondering how you would reply to the following letter.
>
> I've already written to this person to give them a few hints....so I
> feel like I've done my part.
>
> However, I'm horrified and appalled that they got the staff involved
> in this hunt. My clues says:
>
>
> "You're going to Scharffen Berger.
>
> Outside.
>
> Magnetic.
>
> For the love of God, please use stealth! "
>
>
> I've added this note to the end of my (formerly) short and elegant clues.:
>
> "Letterboxing is a secretive past time. Please, please, please, please
> do NOT ask passers-by to help you find this letterbox. Don't ask the
> staff to help you look... If everyone knows that the letterbox is
> there, it ruins the secret for everyone."
>
> Am I being overly sensitive, or am I within my rights to be a bit
> annoyed with this seeker?
>
> I've got to write them back, but I need to simmer down a bit. I
> suspect I'll write something about how in letterboxing -- as in life
> -- you don't always find what you're seeking, but that the journey is
> often more important than the destination.
>
> *************************************************************
>
>
> Hi Lisascenic,
> I'm brand new to Letterboxing... today was the first day I tried it.
>
> It's a bit of a long story (I hope you read it all!) but... my Mom
> does it with my nieces and nephew on the East Coast and loves it. She
> was trying to enter a "found" one online and had trouble so she went
> surfing for the ones on the West Coast and found the one at
> Scharrfenberger - where I've taken her & my Dad when they came to
> visit us.
>
> My father-in-law had a stroke in December and my husband and
> mother-in-law have been in a serious funk since then (and spending
> most free time at the nursing home). My mother encouraged us to go to
> Scharffen Berger to do something fun, take the tour, have lunch - and
> find the letterbox stamp to send to my nephew next month for his birthday.
>
> The bottom line to this whole story is that we couldn't find it
> anywhere. Not having done this before I don't know how hard it
> normally is, but we searched for quite a while (and got some staff &
> other visitors to Scharffen Berger involved too!) and had no luck. The
> staff at SB have told us that other people have asked them for help
> (the most recent last week), but no one has come back to tell them
> where it is.
>
> So, I guess I'm writing for more help... can you either give me more
> clues so I can go back soon to see if it's still there or even tell me
> where it is (I don't know if that's "cheating" or defeats the point of
> letterboxing).
>
> I do live near Ardenwood Farm, so one day soon I'll head out there
> too, to see if the one you placed there is easier to find or not.
>
> Sorry for this long message. As an aside, my husband, mother-in-law
> and I had a wonderful day at Scharffen Berger, so even if we never end
> up finding the stamp, while my nephew will be bummed, we appreciate
> your work! Thanks!
>
> Sincerely,
> Loretta
>



Re: How do I handle this one, folks???

From: Stephanie (captainkait@yahoo.com) | Date: 2007-01-29 17:39:15 UTC
>>Luckily the Scharffenberger box is so well hidden that even veterans
(ahem, like myself) have difficulty finding it...

Thanks for the inadvertent pep talk!
I was in the area last week and thought I would make an attempt. But
after a cursory look, I realized there was no way I was going to be
nonchalant with that much metal on and around the outside of that
building, so I bailed until I could go when they were closed. I
figured I was just being the lazy noob.
Glad to hear disgression was the better part of valor.

-Stephanie (nemaihne)



--- In LbNCA@yahoogroups.com, "Lea Shangraw Fox" wrote:
>
> This sounds like the recurring nightmare I have about my boxes -
that some guileless
> person out there will inadvertantly contribute to their demise. I
like the addendum about
> the secrecy of letterboxing - it may or may not help. Luckily the
Scharffenberger box is so
> well hidden that even veterans (ahem, like myself) have difficulty
finding it, so I think it is
> unlikely that the staff will stumble upon it. I am a little
horrified that she is not the first
> person to ask the staff! Wonder how many people out there have
asked rangers for
> assistance....
>
> I've always wondered if some kind of rating system to indicate that
a box is a good one for
> "beginners" would be helpful. Certain boxes of mine are quite
straightforward and are
> perfect for first time finders. I like having them around so that
some of my more difficult
> boxes are protected from enthusiastic but "unseasoned" boxers who
just need a little time
> to see how to play this game.
>
> On a totally different note, I am hoping that our artists in
residence, Lisa and Kel (aT) are
> thinking about designs for the patch - I'd really like to see what
you ladies come up with!
> We had previously discussed a Northern California logo (redwoods?
gold? grizzlies?), and
> the new proposal on the table is a patch for all of California - do
we have a preference?
>
> -- Princess Lea
>
> --- In LbNCA@yahoogroups.com, "Lisa Lazar" wrote:
> >
> > Hey folks -- I'm wondering how you would reply to the following
letter.
> >
> > I've already written to this person to give them a few hints....so I
> > feel like I've done my part.
> >
> > However, I'm horrified and appalled that they got the staff involved
> > in this hunt. My clues says:
> >
> >
> > "You're going to Scharffen Berger.
> >
> > Outside.
> >
> > Magnetic.
> >
> > For the love of God, please use stealth! "
> >
> >
> > I've added this note to the end of my (formerly) short and elegant
clues.:
> >
> > "Letterboxing is a secretive past time. Please, please, please, please
> > do NOT ask passers-by to help you find this letterbox. Don't ask the
> > staff to help you look... If everyone knows that the letterbox is
> > there, it ruins the secret for everyone."
> >
> > Am I being overly sensitive, or am I within my rights to be a bit
> > annoyed with this seeker?
> >
> > I've got to write them back, but I need to simmer down a bit. I
> > suspect I'll write something about how in letterboxing -- as in life
> > -- you don't always find what you're seeking, but that the journey is
> > often more important than the destination.
> >
> > *************************************************************
> >
> >
> > Hi Lisascenic,
> > I'm brand new to Letterboxing... today was the first day I tried it.
> >
> > It's a bit of a long story (I hope you read it all!) but... my Mom
> > does it with my nieces and nephew on the East Coast and loves it. She
> > was trying to enter a "found" one online and had trouble so she went
> > surfing for the ones on the West Coast and found the one at
> > Scharrfenberger - where I've taken her & my Dad when they came to
> > visit us.
> >
> > My father-in-law had a stroke in December and my husband and
> > mother-in-law have been in a serious funk since then (and spending
> > most free time at the nursing home). My mother encouraged us to go to
> > Scharffen Berger to do something fun, take the tour, have lunch - and
> > find the letterbox stamp to send to my nephew next month for his
birthday.
> >
> > The bottom line to this whole story is that we couldn't find it
> > anywhere. Not having done this before I don't know how hard it
> > normally is, but we searched for quite a while (and got some staff &
> > other visitors to Scharffen Berger involved too!) and had no luck. The
> > staff at SB have told us that other people have asked them for help
> > (the most recent last week), but no one has come back to tell them
> > where it is.
> >
> > So, I guess I'm writing for more help... can you either give me more
> > clues so I can go back soon to see if it's still there or even tell me
> > where it is (I don't know if that's "cheating" or defeats the point of
> > letterboxing).
> >
> > I do live near Ardenwood Farm, so one day soon I'll head out there
> > too, to see if the one you placed there is easier to find or not.
> >
> > Sorry for this long message. As an aside, my husband, mother-in-law
> > and I had a wonderful day at Scharffen Berger, so even if we never end
> > up finding the stamp, while my nephew will be bummed, we appreciate
> > your work! Thanks!
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Loretta
> >
>